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daniel.galan
CVS Log Messages in Mail

Hi there,

currently I'm working with anthill OS, which is simple, but fits my needs. Hudson seems to be quiet better in terms of Usability, configuration and administration, so I wanted to switch.

But I can't, I miss the CVS Log Messages and the users who checked the file in, so I can't quickly fly over the current changes.

Also I miss the ant build output, which was added to the mail in anthill, too.

This is imo a great loss, could you implement this feature? I think some developers will be interested in such information in the email.

But I think Hudson has great potential, and will exceed most Build Server out there.

ps.: Don't forget to add Hudson to this Matrix:
http://damagecontrol.codehaus.org/Continuous+Integration+Server+Feature+Matrix
I think it is the most complete out there at the moment.

Best regards,
Daniel Galán y Martins

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Re: CVS Log Messages in Mail

Vladimir Sizikov
Hi Daniel,

Could you please elaborate a bit on what functionality you have in mind?

On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 04:09:35PM +0100, daniel.galan wrote:
> currently I'm working with anthill OS, which is simple, but fits my
> needs. Hudson seems to be quiet better in terms of Usability,
> configuration and administration, so I wanted to switch.  But I
> can't, I miss the CVS Log Messages and the users who checked the
> file in, so I can't quickly fly over the current changes.

Currently, Hudson sends out emails only in case of status changes
(from success --> failure and vice versa). Do you need more info
provided in these emails or would you like to have an email
notification for _every_ build? Isn't too much emails would be
inconvenient?

> Also I
> miss the ant build output, which was added to the mail in anthill,
> too.

Some ant builds are huge, tens or hundreds of kilobytes, so it seems
to be impractical to send out the full build, but currently Hudson
does send the tail of the build output with every build failure
notification.

Can you explain what exactly would you like to be changed?

> ps.: Don't forget to add Hudson to this Matrix:
> http://damagecontrol.codehaus.org/Continuous+Integration+Server+Feature+Matrix
> I think it is the most complete out there at the moment.

Ah, that's great idea! I remember now, I used that URL to select the
most appropriate server for my needs, many times. And only in JDK
blogs I discovered Hudson, so it seems adding the Hudson info into the
Matrix will make Hudson much more easily discroverable.

Thanks,
  --Vladimir

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Re: CVS Log Messages in Mail

daniel.galan
Hi Vladimir,

> Could you please elaborate a bit on what functionality you
> have in mind?
I'm just evaluatin Hudson, therefor I didn't knew that each Build has it's own Changes Page, with summary, and ordered by users. Maybe I have to rethink the requirement I have.

What I wanted; as a user of anthill, I expected, that each build sends out an email to all participants with the CVS Message Log (what the user entered on commit). Hudson just sends in case the state has changed, and just the cvs file log.

What I now do suggest; Can you include a feature, that each build sends out an email with the changes (orderd by user, and with CVS log message)? This feature should be of course optional, as i noticed, some like only to recive mails when the state has been changed.

> Currently, Hudson sends out emails only in case of status
> changes (from success --> failure and vice versa). Do you
> need more info provided in these emails or would you like to
> have an email notification for _every_ build? Isn't too much
> emails would be inconvenient?
This is an interessting Point .. does every build has to have mails send to all participants? But even if i decide to do so, I think many teams are interessted in a feature like this. And if it is just for the sake of mail them to a mailinglist.

But I think I will give this approach a try :) Hoping it will be adopted by my team members.

> Some ant builds are huge, tens or hundreds of kilobytes, so
> it seems to be impractical to send out the full build, but
> currently Hudson does send the tail of the build output with
> every build failure notification.
same here as above..

thanks a lot for your fast anwser
Greetings
Daniel

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Re: CVS Log Messages in Mail

Michael Nenashev
I'd like to second an option to send emails on every
build, with changelog.

Thank you,
Michael

--- [hidden email] wrote:

> Hi Vladimir,
>
> > Could you please elaborate a bit on what
> functionality you
> > have in mind?
> I'm just evaluatin Hudson, therefor I didn't knew
> that each Build has it's own Changes Page, with
> summary, and ordered by users. Maybe I have to
> rethink the requirement I have.
>
> What I wanted; as a user of anthill, I expected,
> that each build sends out an email to all
> participants with the CVS Message Log (what the user
> entered on commit). Hudson just sends in case the
> state has changed, and just the cvs file log.
>
> What I now do suggest; Can you include a feature,
> that each build sends out an email with the changes
> (orderd by user, and with CVS log message)? This
> feature should be of course optional, as i noticed,
> some like only to recive mails when the state has
> been changed.
>
> > Currently, Hudson sends out emails only in case of
> status
> > changes (from success --> failure and vice versa).
> Do you
> > need more info provided in these emails or would
> you like to
> > have an email notification for _every_ build?
> Isn't too much
> > emails would be inconvenient?
> This is an interessting Point .. does every build
> has to have mails send to all participants? But even
> if i decide to do so, I think many teams are
> interessted in a feature like this. And if it is
> just for the sake of mail them to a mailinglist.
>
> But I think I will give this approach a try :)
> Hoping it will be adopted by my team members.
>
> > Some ant builds are huge, tens or hundreds of
> kilobytes, so
> > it seems to be impractical to send out the full
> build, but
> > currently Hudson does send the tail of the build
> output with
> > every build failure notification.
> same here as above..
>
> thanks a lot for your fast anwser
> Greetings
> Daniel
>
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Re: CVS Log Messages in Mail

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> ps.: Don't forget to add Hudson to this Matrix:
> http://damagecontrol.codehaus.org/Continuous+Integration+Server+Feature+Matrix
> I think it is the most complete out there at the moment.

I tried to do that. Unfortunately, Wiki admin said that the page has
moved to another place and they don't intend anyone else to modify it
anymore. So I couldn't get access.

This is despite the fact that the said page is widely referenced by many
people.

Maybe I should ping them one more time, and see if they are willing to
replace this table by the pointer to the "up-to-date" page.

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Re: CVS Log Messages in Mail

Michael Nenashev
While we are on the topic of e-mails - would it be an
easy fix to make the 'Recipients' a width-limited text
field rather than the current one-liner? With multiple
addresses it pushes the right side of the GUI way too
far.
(For political and economic reasons we can't use group
aliases ;)

Also, this is a 'nice to have' but in the far future
version of the Hudson (like in a week or so ;) may be
we could have a subscription mechanism built in :)

At any rate, we are implementing Hudson as our main
Continuous Integration system on a rather large
project!

Thanks again,
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What are the 'People' for?

Michael Nenashev
Sorry if I missed the description - but what does the
'People' left-side menu item/button does apart from
displaying a blank 'Name  Last Active  On' page?

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Tag this build not working?

Michael Nenashev
So I tried to use 'Tag this build' feature and all it
does is to display 'Clear error to retry' button.
There is no error message so I can't tell why it is
not working.

Help?

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Re: What are the 'People' for?

Vladimir Sizikov
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Hi Michael,

On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:16:48AM -0800, Michael Nenashev wrote:
> Sorry if I missed the description - but what does the
> 'People' left-side menu item/button does apart from
> displaying a blank 'Name  Last Active  On' page?

I was wondering about it for a while too. Definitely, some description
needs to be there (or some other usability trick).

But as soon as my projects started to be built when new source changes
were detected, that empty page started to fill up with engineer names
who performed the changes. Actually, the page is pretty useful, you
could see what changes engineers did and in which builds they are
(changes, not engineers) present.

Also, for every engineer a separate Page is created where said engineer
could adjust his e-mail address, and then (I guess) that address could
be used to send notifications to the engineer when his changes break
the build.

So, the features are pretty cool, just not very easily discoverable.

Thanks,
  --Vladimir

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Re: CVS Log Messages in Mail

Vladimir Sizikov
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Hi Kohsuke, Daniel, Michael,

The change itself is rather straightforward and I've already
implemented it in my private workspace, so after some polishing I could
send it out for review.

The main question is for Kohsuke - do you think this feature worth
adding to the Hudson core (an alternative would be a plugin, if that's
possible)? Yes, the feature is rather useful, and I understand
that in some projects people would like to see emails for every build,
just to make sure everything works just fine. On the other hand, every
option brings some additional complexity to the code, so there is
always a trade-off...

Currently, I added an extra checkbox to "Email" configuration section,
like this:

Recipients      Recipient1 Recipient 2
                Whitespace-separated list of recipient addresses.
       
                X Send e-mail for every build. If unchecked, e-mails
                  will be sent only when builds fail or change status
       
                X Don't send e-mail for every unstable build
       
                X Send separate e-mails to individuals who broke the build

Thanks,
  --Vladimir

On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 08:54:03AM -0800, Michael Nenashev wrote:

> I'd like to second an option to send emails on every
> build, with changelog.
>
> Thank you,
> Michael
>
> --- [hidden email] wrote:
>
> > Hi Vladimir,
> >
> > > Could you please elaborate a bit on what
> > functionality you
> > > have in mind?
> > I'm just evaluatin Hudson, therefor I didn't knew
> > that each Build has it's own Changes Page, with
> > summary, and ordered by users. Maybe I have to
> > rethink the requirement I have.
> >
> > What I wanted; as a user of anthill, I expected,
> > that each build sends out an email to all
> > participants with the CVS Message Log (what the user
> > entered on commit). Hudson just sends in case the
> > state has changed, and just the cvs file log.
> >
> > What I now do suggest; Can you include a feature,
> > that each build sends out an email with the changes
> > (orderd by user, and with CVS log message)? This
> > feature should be of course optional, as i noticed,
> > some like only to recive mails when the state has
> > been changed.
> >
> > > Currently, Hudson sends out emails only in case of
> > status
> > > changes (from success --> failure and vice versa).
> > Do you
> > > need more info provided in these emails or would
> > you like to
> > > have an email notification for _every_ build?
> > Isn't too much
> > > emails would be inconvenient?
> > This is an interessting Point .. does every build
> > has to have mails send to all participants? But even
> > if i decide to do so, I think many teams are
> > interessted in a feature like this. And if it is
> > just for the sake of mail them to a mailinglist.
> >
> > But I think I will give this approach a try :)
> > Hoping it will be adopted by my team members.
> >
> > > Some ant builds are huge, tens or hundreds of
> > kilobytes, so
> > > it seems to be impractical to send out the full
> > build, but
> > > currently Hudson does send the tail of the build
> > output with
> > > every build failure notification.
> > same here as above..
> >
> > thanks a lot for your fast anwser
> > Greetings
> > Daniel
> >
> >
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Re: What are the 'People' for?

Michael Nenashev
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Thanks Vladimir,

It does sound like a useful page except that I have
been running builds for a week now and it is still
empty. Is there anything that needs to be set up in
order for this feature to work? Where is it getting
names from?

--Michael

--- Vladimir Sizikov <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:16:48AM -0800, Michael
> Nenashev wrote:
> > Sorry if I missed the description - but what does
> the
> > 'People' left-side menu item/button does apart
> from
> > displaying a blank 'Name  Last Active  On' page?
>
> I was wondering about it for a while too.
> Definitely, some description
> needs to be there (or some other usability trick).
>
> But as soon as my projects started to be built when
> new source changes
> were detected, that empty page started to fill up
> with engineer names
> who performed the changes. Actually, the page is
> pretty useful, you
> could see what changes engineers did and in which
> builds they are
> (changes, not engineers) present.
>
> Also, for every engineer a separate Page is created
> where said engineer
> could adjust his e-mail address, and then (I guess)
> that address could
> be used to send notifications to the engineer when
> his changes break
> the build.
>
> So, the features are pretty cool, just not very
> easily discoverable.
>
> Thanks,
>   --Vladimir
>
>
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Re: What are the 'People' for?

Vladimir Sizikov
Hi Michael,

On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 01:41:03PM -0800, Michael Nenashev wrote:
> Thanks Vladimir,
>
> It does sound like a useful page except that I have
> been running builds for a week now and it is still
> empty. Is there anything that needs to be set up in
> order for this feature to work?

I didn't set anything, I just noticed one day that there is this new
page, with some users present, and I was surprised.

> Where is it getting names from?

From the source control. More specifically, from changelogs from all
the builds you have in the Hudson. And at least, I can see that it works
with CVS and Subversion. So that solved a mystery for me how did
Hudson know all engineers in my team :)

Thanks,
  --Vladimir

> --- Vladimir Sizikov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:16:48AM -0800, Michael
> > Nenashev wrote:
> > > Sorry if I missed the description - but what does
> > the
> > > 'People' left-side menu item/button does apart
> > from
> > > displaying a blank 'Name  Last Active  On' page?
> >
> > I was wondering about it for a while too.
> > Definitely, some description
> > needs to be there (or some other usability trick).
> >
> > But as soon as my projects started to be built when
> > new source changes
> > were detected, that empty page started to fill up
> > with engineer names
> > who performed the changes. Actually, the page is
> > pretty useful, you
> > could see what changes engineers did and in which
> > builds they are
> > (changes, not engineers) present.
> >
> > Also, for every engineer a separate Page is created
> > where said engineer
> > could adjust his e-mail address, and then (I guess)
> > that address could
> > be used to send notifications to the engineer when
> > his changes break
> > the build.
> >
> > So, the features are pretty cool, just not very
> > easily discoverable.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >   --Vladimir
> >
> >
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Re: What are the 'People' for?

Kohsuke Kawaguchi-2
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Vladimir Sizikov wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:16:48AM -0800, Michael Nenashev wrote:
>> Sorry if I missed the description - but what does the
>> 'People' left-side menu item/button does apart from
>> displaying a blank 'Name  Last Active  On' page?
>
> I was wondering about it for a while too. Definitely, some description
> needs to be there (or some other usability trick).

Indeed. I guess I can either hide the link until there's some
information in that page, or generate a text until the first user
appears (kinda like how we have 'welcome' page) and link to a documentation.

I think if someone could file an issue for this that would be great.

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Kohsuke Kawaguchi-2
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Michael Nenashev wrote:
> Thanks Vladimir,
>
> It does sound like a useful page except that I have
> been running builds for a week now and it is still
> empty. Is there anything that needs to be set up in
> order for this feature to work? Where is it getting
> names from?

Vladimir is right that all this information comes from CVS/SVN. There's
no additional configuration needed.

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Re: CVS Log Messages in Mail

Kohsuke Kawaguchi-2
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Michael Nenashev wrote:
> While we are on the topic of e-mails - would it be an
> easy fix to make the 'Recipients' a width-limited text
> field rather than the current one-liner? With multiple
> addresses it pushes the right side of the GUI way too
> far.

What is "width-limited text field"? You mean <textarea>? So that you can
type multiple addresses comfortably in different lines?


> Also, this is a 'nice to have' but in the far future
> version of the Hudson (like in a week or so ;) may be
> we could have a subscription mechanism built in :)

Would you like to write a plugin for that? I can help you.


> At any rate, we are implementing Hudson as our main
> Continuous Integration system on a rather large
> project!

Cool!

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Kohsuke Kawaguchi-2
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Vladimir Sizikov wrote:
> Hi Kohsuke, Daniel, Michael,
>
> The change itself is rather straightforward and I've already
> implemented it in my private workspace, so after some polishing I could
> send it out for review.

Cool!

> The main question is for Kohsuke - do you think this feature worth
> adding to the Hudson core (an alternative would be a plugin, if that's
> possible)?

Yes, it's possible. The argument in favor of a plugin is that we don't
want the core to look too complicated, yet the other side of the coin is
that if we have a plugin that's similar to the core functionality,
that's also confusing.

This one is a hard call.

 > Yes, the feature is rather useful, and I understand
> that in some projects people would like to see emails for every build,
> just to make sure everything works just fine. On the other hand, every
> option brings some additional complexity to the code, so there is
> always a trade-off...

Right.

>
> Currently, I added an extra checkbox to "Email" configuration section,
> like this:
>
> Recipients      Recipient1 Recipient 2
>                 Whitespace-separated list of recipient addresses.
>        
>                 X Send e-mail for every build. If unchecked, e-mails
>                   will be sent only when builds fail or change status
>        
>                 X Don't send e-mail for every unstable build
>        
>                 X Send separate e-mails to individuals who broke the build
What if we classify the options into categories:

[x] E-mail Notification

                 +--------------------------+-+
      Recipient: |                          |V|
                 +--------------------------+-+
                 +--------------------------+-+
      When     : |                          |V|
                 +--------------------------+-+
                 +--------------------------+-+
      Content:   |                          |V|
                 +--------------------------+-+

"Who" axis would have options like "specified e-mail address" (upon
selecting this option, it reveals another editbox), "individuals who
broke the build", "both"

"When" axis would have options like "for every build", "when build
status change", "for all bad builds" etc.

"Content" axis would have options like "entire log" (with changeset, and
all the URLs and everything, I guess), and "summary" (which is like what
we do.)

We could make all 3 axis extensible, allowing people to plug in custom
code. We already have 3 fields in the "e-mail notification" section, so
replacing that with the above 3 combobox shouldn't be too much
complication, especially if we can keep the # of options in each
combobox 2 or 3.


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Re: Tag this build not working?

Kohsuke Kawaguchi-2
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Michael Nenashev wrote:
> So I tried to use 'Tag this build' feature and all it
> does is to display 'Clear error to retry' button.
> There is no error message so I can't tell why it is
> not working.

Hmm. I've seen a few bugs in this area in the past but none was like
that. That sounds pretty bad.

Does your "http://.../hudson/log" page shows anything useful there?

I know it's asking for bit too much, but it would be really nice if you
can set up a workspace and attach a debugger to it. CVSSCM.java line 830
is where the tagging gets done, and if you step through the code I think
you might see what's going wrong where.

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Re: What are the 'People' for?

Vladimir Sizikov
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On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:24:15PM -0800, Kohsuke Kawaguchi wrote:

> Vladimir Sizikov wrote:
> >Hi Michael,
> >
> >On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:16:48AM -0800, Michael Nenashev wrote:
> >>Sorry if I missed the description - but what does the
> >>'People' left-side menu item/button does apart from
> >>displaying a blank 'Name  Last Active  On' page?
> >
> >I was wondering about it for a while too. Definitely, some description
> >needs to be there (or some other usability trick).
>
> Indeed. I guess I can either hide the link until there's some
> information in that page, or generate a text until the first user
> appears (kinda like how we have 'welcome' page) and link to a documentation.
>
> I think if someone could file an issue for this that would be great.


ISSUE #162 is filed.

Thanks,
  --Vladimir

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RE: Re: What are the 'People' for?

Jason Lee-3
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I don't have anything on that page, and I have 34 jobs and probably a
couple hundred builds.  Is there a trick to making that page work?

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> From: Vladimir Sizikov [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:30 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: What are the 'People' for?
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> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:24:15PM -0800, Kohsuke Kawaguchi wrote:
> > Vladimir Sizikov wrote:
> > >Hi Michael,
> > >
> > >On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 10:16:48AM -0800, Michael Nenashev wrote:
> > >>Sorry if I missed the description - but what does the 'People'
> > >>left-side menu item/button does apart from displaying a
> blank 'Name  
> > >>Last Active  On' page?
> > >
> > >I was wondering about it for a while too. Definitely, some
> > >description needs to be there (or some other usability trick).
> >
> > Indeed. I guess I can either hide the link until there's some
> > information in that page, or generate a text until the first user
> > appears (kinda like how we have 'welcome' page) and link to
> a documentation.
> >
> > I think if someone could file an issue for this that would be great.
>
>
> ISSUE #162 is filed.
>
> Thanks,
>   --Vladimir
>
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Kohsuke Kawaguchi-2
Jason Lee wrote:
> I don't have anything on that page, and I have 34 jobs and probably a
> couple hundred builds.  Is there a trick to making that page work?

There really is nothing. Does you jobs use CVS and SVN? Do you see
changelogs being reported?

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