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[Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Michael Neale-2
Hey all - James Rawlings has proposed a weekly on air/office hours. I know there is a jenkinscicd youtube channel capable of doing scheduled hangouts on air, so I think that would be the best place to do it? Liam? 

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Liam Newman
That is totally doable.  What day of the week what time (including timezone)? 

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Olivier Vernin
Would it be possible to also add it on the jenkins calendar? 
https://jenkins.io/event-calendar/

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, at 7:23 AM, Liam Newman wrote:
That is totally doable.  What day of the week what time (including timezone)? 

On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 4:49:12 PM UTC-7, Michael Neale wrote:
Hey all - James Rawlings has proposed a weekly on air/office hours. I know there is a jenkinscicd youtube channel capable of doing scheduled hangouts on air, so I think that would be the best place to do it? Liam? 


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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

James Rawlings-2
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Awesome thanks Liam!  So to begin with we’re thinking every two weeks, starting next Thursday 26th April at 16:00 GMT.  

That gives us time to prepare any new features from that week and also bring in the US folks.  If there’s demand and once we’re up and running perhaps we can make it every week and alternate mornings / evenings to appeal to different time zones?


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That is totally doable.  What day of the week what time (including timezone)? 

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

James Rawlings-2
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On 19 Apr 2018, at 09:28, Olblak <[hidden email]> wrote:

Would it be possible to also add it on the jenkins calendar? 
https://jenkins.io/event-calendar/
Yeah! That would be great once we get things booked in.

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That is totally doable.  What day of the week what time (including timezone)? 

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Oleg Nenashev
In reply to this post by Olivier Vernin
+1. Actually it would be also great to finally have Jenkins X to finally listed on https://jenkins.io/projects/ .
According to the feedback from the field, the current state causes some confusion since Jenkins X is being developed in separate org and has a separate website.

BR, Oleg


On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 10:28:14 AM UTC+2, Olivier Vernin wrote:
Would it be possible to also add it on the jenkins calendar? 
<a href="https://jenkins.io/event-calendar/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io%2Fevent-calendar%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFajljqkZI28GxMuEoBTFZabEofHg&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io%2Fevent-calendar%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFajljqkZI28GxMuEoBTFZabEofHg&#39;;return true;">https://jenkins.io/event-calendar/

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, at 7:23 AM, Liam Newman wrote:
That is totally doable.  What day of the week what time (including timezone)? 

On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 4:49:12 PM UTC-7, Michael Neale wrote:
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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Michael Neale-2
Does that have to happen after the JEP is accepted?

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Oleg Nenashev
No, it can happen at any moment IMHO. I do not see JEP-400 to be a blocker for referencing this project from jenkins.io. OTOH I am not sure it is within Jenkins organization governance now. E.g. using external org blocks Jenkins GitHub admins from managing permission requests, etc. Are there plans to migrate by the way? JEP-400 does not cover these governance things.

BR, Oleg

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Liam Newman
Oleg: By "listing Jenkins X under sub-projects" do you also mean moving the repositories under jenkinsci org on github and using the Jenkins JIRA?  I support that, but it something that should probably go on a separate thread.  

James, Michael,
Obviously I dropped the ball on April 26th.  Shall I schedule the next meeting on the May 8th?

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 3:30:12 AM UTC-7, Oleg Nenashev wrote:
No, it can happen at any moment IMHO. I do not see JEP-400 to be a blocker for referencing this project from <a href="http://jenkins.io" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFxN3TNcVz4ABxnDGK3ixwttT1E1A&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFxN3TNcVz4ABxnDGK3ixwttT1E1A&#39;;return true;">jenkins.io. OTOH I am not sure it is within Jenkins organization governance now. E.g. using external org blocks Jenkins GitHub admins from managing permission requests, etc. Are there plans to migrate by the way? JEP-400 does not cover these governance things.

BR, Oleg

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Michael Neale-2
Lets see what James says about May 8th (should be ok). 

On those other topics - yes bigger discussion. jenkins-x/jx issues are currently used as github issues are "dogfooded" - but I believe there is JIRA support so I think in time they can move to jira under a jenkins-x component. 

As for repos: there are currently 36 (and growing) in the org - so would need to namespace them to move them into main org. A lot of them are infra/biuld pack type things. There is also jenkins-infra which has 64, which is separate (but I guess it is managed out of band). If it is a matter of managing access to repos etc - could be solved I am sure. 

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 1:26:58 PM UTC+10, Liam Newman wrote:
Oleg: By "listing Jenkins X under sub-projects" do you also mean moving the repositories under jenkinsci org on github and using the Jenkins JIRA?  I support that, but it something that should probably go on a separate thread.  

James, Michael,
Obviously I dropped the ball on April 26th.  Shall I schedule the next meeting on the May 8th?

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 3:30:12 AM UTC-7, Oleg Nenashev wrote:
No, it can happen at any moment IMHO. I do not see JEP-400 to be a blocker for referencing this project from <a href="http://jenkins.io" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFxN3TNcVz4ABxnDGK3ixwttT1E1A&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNFxN3TNcVz4ABxnDGK3ixwttT1E1A&#39;;return true;">jenkins.io. OTOH I am not sure it is within Jenkins organization governance now. E.g. using external org blocks Jenkins GitHub admins from managing permission requests, etc. Are there plans to migrate by the way? JEP-400 does not cover these governance things.

BR, Oleg

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

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On 2 May 2018, at 05:21, Michael Neale <[hidden email]> wrote:

Lets see what James says about May 8th (should be ok). 
Yeah can we go for every other Thursday starting the 17th May?  There’s conferences and meetings on next week so starting the following would be best.


On those other topics - yes bigger discussion. jenkins-x/jx issues are currently used as github issues are "dogfooded" - but I believe there is JIRA support so I think in time they can move to jira under a jenkins-x component. 

As for repos: there are currently 36 (and growing) in the org - so would need to namespace them to move them into main org. A lot of them are infra/biuld pack type things. There is also jenkins-infra which has 64, which is separate (but I guess it is managed out of band). If it is a matter of managing access to repos etc - could be solved I am sure. 

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 1:26:58 PM UTC+10, Liam Newman wrote:
Oleg: By "listing Jenkins X under sub-projects" do you also mean moving the repositories under jenkinsci org on github and using the Jenkins JIRA?  I support that, but it something that should probably go on a separate thread.  

James, Michael,
Obviously I dropped the ball on April 26th.  Shall I schedule the next meeting on the May 8th?

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 3:30:12 AM UTC-7, Oleg Nenashev wrote:
No, it can happen at any moment IMHO. I do not see JEP-400 to be a blocker for referencing this project from jenkins.io. OTOH I am not sure it is within Jenkins organization governance now. E.g. using external org blocks Jenkins GitHub admins from managing permission requests, etc. Are there plans to migrate by the way? JEP-400 does not cover these governance things.

BR, Oleg

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Does that have to happen after the JEP is accepted? 

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Liam Newman
Okay, I'll set it up for the 17th.  

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 12:40:32 AM UTC-7, James Rawlings wrote:

On 2 May 2018, at 05:21, Michael Neale <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="2VY6U4oaAgAJ" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;javascript:&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;javascript:&#39;;return true;">mne...@...> wrote:

Lets see what James says about May 8th (should be ok). 
Yeah can we go for every other Thursday starting the 17th May?  There’s conferences and meetings on next week so starting the following would be best.


On those other topics - yes bigger discussion. jenkins-x/jx issues are currently used as github issues are "dogfooded" - but I believe there is JIRA support so I think in time they can move to jira under a jenkins-x component. 

As for repos: there are currently 36 (and growing) in the org - so would need to namespace them to move them into main org. A lot of them are infra/biuld pack type things. There is also jenkins-infra which has 64, which is separate (but I guess it is managed out of band). If it is a matter of managing access to repos etc - could be solved I am sure. 

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 1:26:58 PM UTC+10, Liam Newman wrote:
Oleg: By "listing Jenkins X under sub-projects" do you also mean moving the repositories under jenkinsci org on github and using the Jenkins JIRA?  I support that, but it something that should probably go on a separate thread.  

James, Michael,
Obviously I dropped the ball on April 26th.  Shall I schedule the next meeting on the May 8th?

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 3:30:12 AM UTC-7, Oleg Nenashev wrote:
No, it can happen at any moment IMHO. I do not see JEP-400 to be a blocker for referencing this project from <a href="http://jenkins.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEo1lmJhX4WqqsewrasDhmLvTPo3A&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEo1lmJhX4WqqsewrasDhmLvTPo3A&#39;;return true;">jenkins.io. OTOH I am not sure it is within Jenkins organization governance now. E.g. using external org blocks Jenkins GitHub admins from managing permission requests, etc. Are there plans to migrate by the way? JEP-400 does not cover these governance things.

BR, Oleg

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Michael Neale <[hidden email]> wrote:
Does that have to happen after the JEP is accepted? 

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Re: [Jenkins X | JEP-400] Weekly on air hangout/office hours

Liam Newman
This has been added to the Jenkins Calendar: 

The event is here:
https://calendar.google.com/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=NWxyaWM1cnUwaTVhYnE1Njc1NnJoaDZqNnJfMjAxODA1MTdUMTYwMDAwWiA0c3MxMmYwbXFyM3RicDF0MmZlMzY5c2xmNEBn&tmsrc=4ss12f0mqr3tbp1t2fe369slf4%40group.calendar.google.com&scp=ALL

I've set it up as a https://jenkins.io/hangout to start which means anyone can join and participate, but the sessions will not be recorded. Does that sound good to everyone?



On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 11:44:34 AM UTC-7, Liam Newman wrote:
Okay, I'll set it up for the 17th.  

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 12:40:32 AM UTC-7, James Rawlings wrote:

On 2 May 2018, at 05:21, Michael Neale <[hidden email]> wrote:

Lets see what James says about May 8th (should be ok). 
Yeah can we go for every other Thursday starting the 17th May?  There’s conferences and meetings on next week so starting the following would be best.


On those other topics - yes bigger discussion. jenkins-x/jx issues are currently used as github issues are "dogfooded" - but I believe there is JIRA support so I think in time they can move to jira under a jenkins-x component. 

As for repos: there are currently 36 (and growing) in the org - so would need to namespace them to move them into main org. A lot of them are infra/biuld pack type things. There is also jenkins-infra which has 64, which is separate (but I guess it is managed out of band). If it is a matter of managing access to repos etc - could be solved I am sure. 

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 1:26:58 PM UTC+10, Liam Newman wrote:
Oleg: By "listing Jenkins X under sub-projects" do you also mean moving the repositories under jenkinsci org on github and using the Jenkins JIRA?  I support that, but it something that should probably go on a separate thread.  

James, Michael,
Obviously I dropped the ball on April 26th.  Shall I schedule the next meeting on the May 8th?

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 3:30:12 AM UTC-7, Oleg Nenashev wrote:
No, it can happen at any moment IMHO. I do not see JEP-400 to be a blocker for referencing this project from <a href="http://jenkins.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEo1lmJhX4WqqsewrasDhmLvTPo3A&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjenkins.io%2F\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEo1lmJhX4WqqsewrasDhmLvTPo3A&#39;;return true;">jenkins.io. OTOH I am not sure it is within Jenkins organization governance now. E.g. using external org blocks Jenkins GitHub admins from managing permission requests, etc. Are there plans to migrate by the way? JEP-400 does not cover these governance things.

BR, Oleg

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Michael Neale <[hidden email]> wrote:
Does that have to happen after the JEP is accepted? 

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