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nicolas de loof-2
Just a question : why is the "Success" state icon blue, and not green as many reporting tools use ?
Red for failure : OK
Yello for unstable : OK

Nico.
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stephenconnolly
My reason would be

Because red-green colour blindness is the most common type of colour blindness!

(I know this from having developed software for a welsh person with the surname Lloyd... Lloyd is welsh for grey and colour blindness is inherited on the male line, as are surnames!)

I don't know Kohsuke's reason, but it's the colour scheme he picked at the start

-Stephen

On Nov 28, 2007 9:14 AM, nicolas de loof <[hidden email]> wrote:
Just a question : why is the "Success" state icon blue, and not green as many reporting tools use ?
Red for failure : OK
Yello for unstable : OK

Nico.

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Kohsuke Kawaguchi
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Stephen Connolly wrote:
> My reason would be
>
> Because red-green colour blindness is the most common type of colour blindness!
>
> (I know this from having developed software for a welsh person with the surname
> Lloyd... Lloyd is welsh for grey and colour blindness is inherited on the male
> line, as are surnames!)
>
> I don't know Kohsuke's reason, but it's the colour scheme he picked at the start

You might not believe this, but in Japan, blue means good. We don't
refer to traffic signals as red/yellow/green, but we actually call it
red/yellow/blue. So it was very natural thing for me to make it blue. I
didn't even know that everyone else in the world goes "blue, huh?"

See https://hudson.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=369 for more
details on this. This issue is getting a lot of votes, so I suppose we
should be fixing this, though...


> -Stephen
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 9:14 AM, nicolas de loof < [hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Just a question : why is the "Success" state icon blue, and not green as
>     many reporting tools use ?
>     Red for failure : OK
>     Yello for unstable : OK
>
>     Nico.
>
>

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nicolas de loof-2
Could this be part of some localization effort ?
Many application use ResourceBundles to localize texts, maybe same could be done for images, so that blue balls can be use for japan where this makes sense, and green ones for other countries.

2007/11/29, Kohsuke Kawaguchi <[hidden email]>:
Stephen Connolly wrote:
> My reason would be
>
> Because red-green colour blindness is the most common type of colour blindness!
>
> (I know this from having developed software for a welsh person with the surname
> Lloyd... Lloyd is welsh for grey and colour blindness is inherited on the male
> line, as are surnames!)
>
> I don't know Kohsuke's reason, but it's the colour scheme he picked at the start

You might not believe this, but in Japan, blue means good. We don't
refer to traffic signals as red/yellow/green, but we actually call it
red/yellow/blue. So it was very natural thing for me to make it blue. I
didn't even know that everyone else in the world goes "blue, huh?"

See https://hudson.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=369 for more
details on this. This issue is getting a lot of votes, so I suppose we
should be fixing this, though...


> -Stephen
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 9:14 AM, nicolas de loof < [hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Just a question : why is the "Success" state icon blue, and not green as
>     many reporting tools use ?
>     Red for failure : OK
>     Yello for unstable : OK
>
>     Nico.
>
>


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nicolas de loof-2
..and as a workaround to red-green colour blindness, the icons may use different shapes.
For example a fire for failure, and some nice contry landscape (with GREEN grass and BLUE sky) for success.


2007/11/29, nicolas de loof <[hidden email]>:
Could this be part of some localization effort ?
Many application use ResourceBundles to localize texts, maybe same could be done for images, so that blue balls can be use for japan where this makes sense, and green ones for other countries.

2007/11/29, Kohsuke Kawaguchi <[hidden email]>:
Stephen Connolly wrote:
> My reason would be
>
> Because red-green colour blindness is the most common type of colour blindness!
>
> (I know this from having developed software for a welsh person with the surname
> Lloyd... Lloyd is welsh for grey and colour blindness is inherited on the male
> line, as are surnames!)
>
> I don't know Kohsuke's reason, but it's the colour scheme he picked at the start

You might not believe this, but in Japan, blue means good. We don't
refer to traffic signals as red/yellow/green, but we actually call it
red/yellow/blue. So it was very natural thing for me to make it blue. I
didn't even know that everyone else in the world goes "blue, huh?"

See <a href="https://hudson.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=369" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> https://hudson.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=369 for more
details on this. This issue is getting a lot of votes, so I suppose we
should be fixing this, though...


> -Stephen
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 9:14 AM, nicolas de loof < [hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Just a question : why is the "Success" state icon blue, and not green as
>     many reporting tools use ?
>     Red for failure : OK
>     Yello for unstable : OK
>
>     Nico.
>
>


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stephenconnolly
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I like the blue balls.

One of our senior VPs liked the blue balls and preferred them to this
"obsession with green"

I vote keep the blue balls... (as an aside which would you rather say
"Finally I've got all my balls blue" or "Finally I've got all my balls
green" Taken out of context I think the "blue" is less offensive! ;-)
)

On Nov 29, 2007 7:54 AM, nicolas de loof <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Could this be part of some localization effort ?
> Many application use ResourceBundles to localize texts, maybe same could be
> done for images, so that blue balls can be use for japan where this makes
> sense, and green ones for other countries.
>
> 2007/11/29, Kohsuke Kawaguchi <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Stephen Connolly wrote:
> > > My reason would be
> > >
> > > Because red-green colour blindness is the most common type of colour
> blindness!
> > >
> > > (I know this from having developed software for a welsh person with the
> surname
> > > Lloyd... Lloyd is welsh for grey and colour blindness is inherited on
> the male
> > > line, as are surnames!)
> > >
> > > I don't know Kohsuke's reason, but it's the colour scheme he picked at
> the start
> >
> > You might not believe this, but in Japan, blue means good. We don't
> > refer to traffic signals as red/yellow/green, but we actually call it
> > red/yellow/blue. So it was very natural thing for me to make it blue. I
> > didn't even know that everyone else in the world goes "blue, huh?"
> >
> > See https://hudson.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=369 for more
> > details on this. This issue is getting a lot of votes, so I suppose we
> > should be fixing this, though...
> >
> >
> > > -Stephen
> > >
> > > On Nov 28, 2007 9:14 AM, nicolas de loof < [hidden email]
> > > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Just a question : why is the "Success" state icon blue, and not
> green as
> > >     many reporting tools use ?
> > >     Red for failure : OK
> > >     Yello for unstable : OK
> > >
> > >     Nico.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kohsuke Kawaguchi
> > Sun Microsystems                   [hidden email]
> >
> >
>
>

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stephenconnolly
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On Nov 29, 2007 7:58 AM, nicolas de loof <[hidden email]> wrote:
> ..and as a workaround to red-green colour blindness, the icons may use
> different shapes.
> For example a fire for failure, and some nice contry landscape (with GREEN
> grass and BLUE sky) for success.
>

Now you'll just mix metaphors with the healthy-weather reports... plus
in 16x16 the concepts you espouse are difficult to relay.

Perhaps a red triangle... a yellow square and a blue (ok, ok, with
option to configure as green) circle

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Federico Fissore-3
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Stephen Connolly ha scritto:

> > I like the blue balls.
> >
> > One of our senior VPs liked the blue balls and preferred them to this
> > "obsession with green"
> >
> >  
>  


My 2 EuroCents: I prefer blue too. And agree with the "obsession with green"

To us, green addicted, blue is a someway more relaxing  :)

Moreover, to an internation team, having different ball colours could cause misunderstandings

I just don't see the balls colours an issue

Federico


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Chris Marks
I also don't see the colors as an issue.  The legend link provides all the information you need, plus you can hover over the icon and it gives the state.  I personally think that green would be fairly jarring given the default color scheme.  At last resort if someone needed green, they could overwrite the appropriate images in the images directory.

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On Nov 29, 2007 2:45 AM, Federico Fissore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Stephen Connolly ha scritto:

> > I like the blue balls.
> >
> > One of our senior VPs liked the blue balls and preferred them to this
> > "obsession with green"
> >
> >
>


My 2 EuroCents: I prefer blue too. And agree with the "obsession with green"

To us, green addicted, blue is a someway more relaxing  :)

Moreover, to an internation team, having different ball colours could cause misunderstandings

I just don't see the balls colours an issue

Federico


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stephenconnolly
On Nov 29, 2007 4:05 PM, Chris Marks <[hidden email]> wrote:
> default color scheme.  At last resort if someone needed green, they could
> overwrite the appropriate images in the images directory.

Noooooooo!

Next thing you know there'll be a fork in hudson!

Third of the users splitting off to the grudson project

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Golin, Greg
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Blue balls! Yes, that's what they are. Yesterday I had a room of 14
developers giggling at me because of this. Very embarrassing. A
colleague suggested I call them "spheres".

G


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From: Stephen Connolly [mailto:[hidden email]]
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Subject: Re: hudson job-status icons

I like the blue balls.

One of our senior VPs liked the blue balls and preferred them to this
"obsession with green"

I vote keep the blue balls... (as an aside which would you rather say
"Finally I've got all my balls blue" or "Finally I've got all my balls
green" Taken out of context I think the "blue" is less offensive! ;-)
)

On Nov 29, 2007 7:54 AM, nicolas de loof <[hidden email]>
wrote:
> Could this be part of some localization effort ?
> Many application use ResourceBundles to localize texts, maybe same
could be
> done for images, so that blue balls can be use for japan where this
makes
> sense, and green ones for other countries.
>
> 2007/11/29, Kohsuke Kawaguchi <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Stephen Connolly wrote:
> > > My reason would be
> > >
> > > Because red-green colour blindness is the most common type of
colour
> blindness!
> > >
> > > (I know this from having developed software for a welsh person
with the
> surname
> > > Lloyd... Lloyd is welsh for grey and colour blindness is inherited
on
> the male
> > > line, as are surnames!)
> > >
> > > I don't know Kohsuke's reason, but it's the colour scheme he
picked at
> the start
> >
> > You might not believe this, but in Japan, blue means good. We don't
> > refer to traffic signals as red/yellow/green, but we actually call
it
> > red/yellow/blue. So it was very natural thing for me to make it
blue. I
> > didn't even know that everyone else in the world goes "blue, huh?"
> >
> > See https://hudson.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=369 for more
> > details on this. This issue is getting a lot of votes, so I suppose
we
> > should be fixing this, though...
> >
> >
> > > -Stephen
> > >
> > > On Nov 28, 2007 9:14 AM, nicolas de loof <
[hidden email]
> > > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Just a question : why is the "Success" state icon blue, and
not

> green as
> > >     many reporting tools use ?
> > >     Red for failure : OK
> > >     Yello for unstable : OK
> > >
> > >     Nico.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kohsuke Kawaguchi
> > Sun Microsystems                   [hidden email]
> >
> >
>
>

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Kohsuke Kawaguchi
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Stephen Connolly wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2007 7:58 AM, nicolas de loof <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> ..and as a workaround to red-green colour blindness, the icons may use
>> different shapes.
>> For example a fire for failure, and some nice contry landscape (with GREEN
>> grass and BLUE sky) for success.
>>
>
> Now you'll just mix metaphors with the healthy-weather reports... plus
> in 16x16 the concepts you espouse are difficult to relay.

Right. I think many other tools seem to use circles with different
symbols in it, like a checkbox in green for a pass, and a cross mark in
red for a failure. Those might be easier to manufacture.

In any case I think it's better for this kind of design to be left up to
the professionals, one thing I learned is that we developers tend to be
bad at good visual design.


> Perhaps a red triangle... a yellow square and a blue (ok, ok, with
> option to configure as green) circle

I don't think green/blue configurability is necessary --- in fact I
think it would be harmful, as those colors are fairly ubiquitous
throughout screenshots. Having two versions would just confuse people.

And it's not like the actual color of traffic lights are all that
different in Japan [1,2]. It's the same green/blue mixture as in the U.S.


[1] http://www.nifs.or.jp/kaze/photo/2007_03/p_iroha_1.jpg
[2] http://everyday.3yen.com/wp-content/images/countdownlight.jpg
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Kohsuke Kawaguchi
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Chris Marks wrote:
> I also don't see the colors as an issue.  The legend link provides all the
> information you need, plus you can hover over the icon and it gives the
> state.  I personally think that green would be fairly jarring given the
> default color scheme.  At last resort if someone needed green, they could
> overwrite the appropriate images in the images directory.

Thanks everyone for chiming in on this issue. I'll update the issue with
this thread.

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CletusTSJY
I told our graphic designer about this subject and he gave me a couple icons that he designed.  If you like them, they are free to use in Hudson.  They are attached.

Thanks,
Cameron

On 11/29/07, Kohsuke Kawaguchi <[hidden email]> wrote:
Chris Marks wrote:
> I also don't see the colors as an issue.  The legend link provides all the
> information you need, plus you can hover over the icon and it gives the
> state.  I personally think that green would be fairly jarring given the
> default color scheme.  At last resort if someone needed green, they could
> overwrite the appropriate images in the images directory.

Thanks everyone for chiming in on this issue. I'll update the issue with
this thread.

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stephenconnolly
Now if he could change the tick-mark to blue, and give us one for
unstable in yellow

On Nov 29, 2007 6:15 PM, Cameron Hinkle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I told our graphic designer about this subject and he gave me a couple icons
> that he designed.  If you like them, they are free to use in Hudson.  They
> are attached.
>
> Thanks,
> Cameron
>
>
>
>  On 11/29/07, Kohsuke Kawaguchi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Chris Marks wrote:
> > > I also don't see the colors as an issue.  The legend link provides all
> the
> > > information you need, plus you can hover over the icon and it gives the
> > > state.  I personally think that green would be fairly jarring given the
> > > default color scheme.  At last resort if someone needed green, they
> could
> > > overwrite the appropriate images in the images directory.
> >
> > Thanks everyone for chiming in on this issue. I'll update the issue with
> > this thread.
> >
> > --
> > Kohsuke Kawaguchi
> > Sun Microsystems                   [hidden email]
> >
> >
>
>
>
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> Development Manager
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CletusTSJY
Sure, I can ask him to do that.

On 11/29/07, Stephen Connolly <[hidden email]> wrote:
Now if he could change the tick-mark to blue, and give us one for
unstable in yellow

On Nov 29, 2007 6:15 PM, Cameron Hinkle <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I told our graphic designer about this subject and he gave me a couple icons
> that he designed.  If you like them, they are free to use in Hudson.  They

> are attached.
>
> Thanks,
> Cameron
>
>
>
>  On 11/29/07, Kohsuke Kawaguchi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Chris Marks wrote:
> > > I also don't see the colors as an issue.  The legend link provides all
> the
> > > information you need, plus you can hover over the icon and it gives the
> > > state.  I personally think that green would be fairly jarring given the
> > > default color scheme.  At last resort if someone needed green, they
> could
> > > overwrite the appropriate images in the images directory.
> >
> > Thanks everyone for chiming in on this issue. I'll update the issue with
> > this thread.
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
>
>
>
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stephenconnolly
and we'd prefer in svg format and additionally 16x16, 32x32 and 48x48 gifs

On Nov 29, 2007 7:09 PM, Cameron Hinkle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sure, I can ask him to do that.
>
>
>
> On 11/29/07, Stephen Connolly <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Now if he could change the tick-mark to blue, and give us one for
> > unstable in yellow
> >
> > On Nov 29, 2007 6:15 PM, Cameron Hinkle <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > I told our graphic designer about this subject and he gave me a couple
> icons
> > > that he designed.  If you like them, they are free to use in Hudson.
> They
> > > are attached.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Cameron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  On 11/29/07, Kohsuke Kawaguchi < [hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > Chris Marks wrote:
> > > > > I also don't see the colors as an issue.  The legend link provides
> all
> > > the
> > > > > information you need, plus you can hover over the icon and it gives
> the
> > > > > state.  I personally think that green would be fairly jarring given
> the
> > > > > default color scheme.  At last resort if someone needed green, they
> > > could
> > > > > overwrite the appropriate images in the images directory.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks everyone for chiming in on this issue. I'll update the issue
> with
> > > > this thread.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kohsuke Kawaguchi
> > > > Sun Microsystems                   [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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stephenconnolly
hmm do we need 24x24 as well?

On Nov 29, 2007 7:15 PM, Stephen Connolly
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> and we'd prefer in svg format and additionally 16x16, 32x32 and 48x48 gifs
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2007 7:09 PM, Cameron Hinkle <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sure, I can ask him to do that.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/29/07, Stephen Connolly <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Now if he could change the tick-mark to blue, and give us one for
> > > unstable in yellow
> > >
> > > On Nov 29, 2007 6:15 PM, Cameron Hinkle <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > I told our graphic designer about this subject and he gave me a couple
> > icons
> > > > that he designed.  If you like them, they are free to use in Hudson.
> > They
> > > > are attached.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Cameron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  On 11/29/07, Kohsuke Kawaguchi < [hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > Chris Marks wrote:
> > > > > > I also don't see the colors as an issue.  The legend link provides
> > all
> > > > the
> > > > > > information you need, plus you can hover over the icon and it gives
> > the
> > > > > > state.  I personally think that green would be fairly jarring given
> > the
> > > > > > default color scheme.  At last resort if someone needed green, they
> > > > could
> > > > > > overwrite the appropriate images in the images directory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks everyone for chiming in on this issue. I'll update the issue
> > with
> > > > > this thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > Sun Microsystems                   [hidden email]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: hudson job-status icons

Kohsuke Kawaguchi
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In reply to this post by CletusTSJY
Cameron Hinkle wrote:
> I told our graphic designer about this subject and he gave me a couple icons
> that he designed.  If you like them, they are free to use in Hudson.  They
> are attached.

Thank you very much. It would be even greater if your graphic designer
can look at the design guideline of the Tango project, where we get all
the artwork from:

   http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines

For the icons to look consistent with the other graphic elements in
Hudson, I think it's crucial that icons fit this theme.



> Thanks,
> Cameron
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> On 11/29/07, Kohsuke Kawaguchi <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Chris Marks wrote:
>> > I also don't see the colors as an issue.  The legend link provides all
>> the
>> > information you need, plus you can hover over the icon and it gives the
>> > state.  I personally think that green would be fairly jarring given the
>> > default color scheme.  At last resort if someone needed green, they
>> could
>> > overwrite the appropriate images in the images directory.
>>
>> Thanks everyone for chiming in on this issue. I'll update the issue with
>> this thread.
>>
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>> Kohsuke Kawaguchi
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