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is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

baz themail
All,

Will i break any license agreements if I am setting up build machines, building multiple clients and hosting the hudson in multiple machines?

Thanks.

A.
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Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Richard Bywater
From the Wiki:
License

Most of the art work is derived from Tango Project, and thus this
portion of Hudson is covered by their license (Creative Commons
Attribution Share-Alike license). The rest (that is, all the code,
documents, build scripts, etc.) is covered by the MIT license, unless
otherwise stated in individual files.

Hope that helps.

Richard.

On 7/7/09, baz themail <[hidden email]> wrote:
> All,
>
> Will i break any license agreements if I am setting up build machines,
> building multiple clients and hosting the hudson in multiple machines?
>
> Thanks.
>
> A.
>

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Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

baz themail
So, it is fine to use it for my consultanting projects?

Say, if i have www.testing.com hosting hudson server, and thats fine right? Thanks. A.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Richard Bywater <[hidden email]> wrote:
From the Wiki:
License

Most of the art work is derived from Tango Project, and thus this
portion of Hudson is covered by their license (Creative Commons
Attribution Share-Alike license). The rest (that is, all the code,
documents, build scripts, etc.) is covered by the MIT license, unless
otherwise stated in individual files.

Hope that helps.

Richard.

On 7/7/09, baz themail <[hidden email]> wrote:
> All,
>
> Will i break any license agreements if I am setting up build machines,
> building multiple clients and hosting the hudson in multiple machines?
>
> Thanks.
>
> A.
>

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RE: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Adam Purkiss
Basically I think as long as you dont try to sell hudson itself you are good. So for example you could sell hosting, you could sell your skills in setting up hudson but you could not download hudson and then try to sell it.
 
The only prblem I could see for you if you are using a single host for multiple clients is that making sure that your clients are ok with the security implications
 

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So, it is fine to use it for my consultanting projects?

Say, if i have www.testing.com hosting hudson server, and thats fine right? Thanks. A.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Richard Bywater <[hidden email]> wrote:
From the Wiki:
License

Most of the art work is derived from Tango Project, and thus this
portion of Hudson is covered by their license (Creative Commons
Attribution Share-Alike license). The rest (that is, all the code,
documents, build scripts, etc.) is covered by the MIT license, unless
otherwise stated in individual files.

Hope that helps.

Richard.

On 7/7/09, baz themail <[hidden email]> wrote:
> All,
>
> Will i break any license agreements if I am setting up build machines,
> building multiple clients and hosting the hudson in multiple machines?
>
> Thanks.
>
> A.
>

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Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Hilco Wijbenga-3
2009/7/7 Adam Purkiss <[hidden email]>:
> Basically I think as long as you dont try to sell hudson itself you are
> good. So for example you could sell hosting, you could sell your skills in
> setting up hudson but you could not download hudson and then try to sell it.

You didn't actually read the license
(http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Use+Hudson#UseHudson-License
and http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php), did you? :-)
You can do *anything* with the code. That explicitely includes selling
it.

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Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Qazwart-2
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Hilco Wijbenga<[hidden email]> wrote:
> You didn't actually read the license
> (http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Use+Hudson#UseHudson-License
> and http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php), did you? :-)
> You can do *anything* with the code. That explicitly includes selling
> it.

Well, you can create your own project based upon Hudson, and sell that
package. However, the icons and artwork are licensed under the GPL
license. Under that license, you cannot sell a Hudson package that
includes the icons and other art work.

Therefore, you can't sell Hudson unless you change all the graphic
elements. This might also include the naming scheme for the icons
themselves.

That being said, you can under the GPL license sell the program
(Officially, you're selling the convenience of the program on the
media). Sell services to setup and help maintain the program. And,
sell services that are based upon the program. What GPL requires is
that any source changes you make are made available to the parent
project and made available to the public under the GPL license. Plus,
you must make all source code easily available.

So, you're free to have a consulting business based upon Hudson, and
you can provide paid services using Hudson even under the stricter GPL
license. As long as you don't modify Hudson's code itself, having the
link on the main Hudson page back to the Hudson project probably
qualifies for providing the source code.

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Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Kohsuke Kawaguchi
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David Weintraub wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Hilco Wijbenga<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> You didn't actually read the license
>> (http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Use+Hudson#UseHudson-License
>> and http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php), did you? :-)
>> You can do *anything* with the code. That explicitly includes selling
>> it.
>
> Well, you can create your own project based upon Hudson, and sell that
> package. However, the icons and artwork are licensed under the GPL
> license. Under that license, you cannot sell a Hudson package that
> includes the icons and other art work.
I'm not aware of icons and artworks that are under GPL --- all the ones
are CC-SA, so it can be used commercially.


> Therefore, you can't sell Hudson unless you change all the graphic
> elements. This might also include the naming scheme for the icons
> themselves.
>
> That being said, you can under the GPL license sell the program
> (Officially, you're selling the convenience of the program on the
> media). Sell services to setup and help maintain the program. And,
> sell services that are based upon the program. What GPL requires is
> that any source changes you make are made available to the parent
> project and made available to the public under the GPL license. Plus,
> you must make all source code easily available.
>
> So, you're free to have a consulting business based upon Hudson, and
> you can provide paid services using Hudson even under the stricter GPL
> license. As long as you don't modify Hudson's code itself, having the
> link on the main Hudson page back to the Hudson project probably
> qualifies for providing the source code.
>

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Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Hilco Wijbenga-3
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2009/7/7 David Weintraub <[hidden email]>:

> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Hilco Wijbenga<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> You didn't actually read the license
>> (http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Use+Hudson#UseHudson-License
>> and http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php), did you? :-)
>> You can do *anything* with the code. That explicitly includes selling
>> it.
>
> Well, you can create your own project based upon Hudson, and sell that
> package. However, the icons and artwork are licensed under the GPL
> license. Under that license, you cannot sell a Hudson package that
> includes the icons and other art work.

I'm not sure where you found the GPL reference, I only saw Creative
Commons and MIT but even if you're right: the GPL doesn't prevent you
from selling the software.

> Therefore, you can't sell Hudson unless you change all the graphic
> elements. This might also include the naming scheme for the icons
> themselves.

Not true.

> That being said, you can under the GPL license sell the program
> (Officially, you're selling the convenience of the program on the
> media). Sell services to setup and help maintain the program. And,
> sell services that are based upon the program. What GPL requires is
> that any source changes you make are made available to the parent
> project and made available to the public under the GPL license. Plus,
> you must make all source code easily available.

This contradicts the previous two paragraphs, doesn't it?

By the way, you don't have to tell the parent project about your
changes. You just need to allow whomever you give the end result to to
get the source and your changes. (And provide plenty of notices about
the GPL.)

> So, you're free to have a consulting business based upon Hudson, and
> you can provide paid services using Hudson even under the stricter GPL
> license. As long as you don't modify Hudson's code itself, having the
> link on the main Hudson page back to the Hudson project probably
> qualifies for providing the source code.

Even with changes, a link to the original code and a set of patches
would suffice.

But I only saw a reference to Creative Commons Share Alike (which
explicitly allows commercial use) and MIT (which explicitly allows
commercial use).

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RE: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Adam Purkiss
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ok, fair enough... but it would not be nice to take the code and sell it on, tough anyone silly enough to buy it is asking for it :)
 

> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:42:02 -0700
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?
>
> 2009/7/7 Adam Purkiss <[hidden email]>:
> > Basically I think as long as you dont try to sell hudson itself you are
> > good. So for example you could sell hosting, you could sell your skills in
> > setting up hudson but you could not download hudson and then try to sell it.
>
> You didn't actually read the license
> (http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Use+Hudson#UseHudson-License
> and http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php), did you? :-)
> You can do *anything* with the code. That explicitely includes selling
> it.
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Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Hilco Wijbenga-3
2009/7/7 Adam Purkiss <[hidden email]>:
> ok, fair enough... but it would not be nice to take the code and sell it on,
> tough anyone silly enough to buy it is asking for it :)

That's why we have the euphemism "commercial friendly": you allow
others to steal your work and sell it as if it were their own (with
the appropriate copyright notice here and there but who reads those?).
;-)

>> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:42:02 -0700
>> From: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?
>>
>> 2009/7/7 Adam Purkiss <[hidden email]>:
>> > Basically I think as long as you dont try to sell hudson itself you are
>> > good. So for example you could sell hosting, you could sell your skills
>> > in
>> > setting up hudson but you could not download hudson and then try to
>> > sell it.
>>
>> You didn't actually read the license
>> (http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Use+Hudson#UseHudson-License
>> and http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php), did you? :-)
>> You can do *anything* with the code. That explicitely includes selling
>> it.
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RE: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Michel.DHOOGE
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A bit off topic, but of interest for those that want to keep up to date with
software licenses...

> I'm not sure where you found the GPL reference, I only saw Creative
> Commons and MIT but even if you're right: the GPL doesn't prevent you
> from selling the software.

In the case of web apps, this is even simpler since -most of the time- you
don't sell the code but only the right to use it on your server. So, even if
Hudson was GPL-licensed, you could still sell access to an enhanced version
without the need to provide your source.

This is the reason why the FSF proposes the "GNU Affero General Public
License"
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html

Excerpting its preamble:
"However, in the case of software used on network servers, this result may
fail to come about. The GNU General Public License permits making a modified
version and letting the public access it on a server without ever releasing
its source code to the public.

The GNU Affero General Public License is designed specifically to ensure
that, in such cases, the modified source code becomes available to the
community."

Michel

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Re: is there any license agreement for using Hudson?

Qazwart-2
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Kohsuke
Kawaguchi<[hidden email]> wrote:
> David Weintraub wrote:

> I'm not aware of icons and artworks that are under GPL --- all the ones
> are CC-SA, so it can be used commercially.

Sorry. Misread the license on the Tango page. Only the icon naming
utility is under GPL license. Therefore, you can package and sell
Hudson almost anyway you'd like.

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